This HO has a TWO-part problem, 2 ways water FIRST enters and comes out inside basement through chimney chute door
One part we just fixed/waterproofed, the other(brick repair-tuckpointing)will need to be done, until it is the HO may-could still get some water out chim`y-chute door.
1) Delta memb, some will place it against exterior walls but they don`t apply any mastic/tar or,they only spray on a THIN amount-damproof walls w/no visqueen. If ya wanna use this fine but the walls really should be waterproofed(thick mastic/roofing cement)and visqueen applied over mastic....then place Delta against walls especially when one is using equipment to backfill.The visqueen will stick-adhere to wall if applied correctly and walls backfilled w/all-most gravel.
If ya look, the Delta is not as thick as some say/think..believe what ya like.
6,9,10) vertical crack, this is one of the entryways for water/rain, it goes through crack and into chimney.Has nothing to do w/some supposed goofball poor grading issue.
8) exterior drain tile, nuttin wrong with `em as is most often the case/fact.
10,11) other openings where water enters
12) these little chtt openings between bricks can allow quite a bit of water to enter on those heavy wind blown rains, yes indeedy.
17) pretty much done....umm, where the crap is all the ruined landscaping we keep reading-hearing about? Nimrods.
18,19) the top 8 to 10 courses of bricks were previously torn down and okayed by city inspection,hmmmm. Well, someone has bad-blurred vision lol. The dang chimney isn`t straight at top, pics don`t show the curve as appears on site. 20) spalling bricks and open joints
somebody previously dug out and attempted a patch job over vertical crack, NO hydraulic cement,NO mastic,NO visqueen,NO gravel backfill....all mistakes.
2,3,4) THE REASON WHY,WHERE water first-enters. Homeowner sees water inside at-along wall-floor joint. Basement doesn`t leak because of some supposed grade issue,not because the downspout extension isn`t long enough, not because of some supposed low spot in yard....all nonsense.
5) opening between bottom of brick and top of wall....guess what inside-injections? Your epoxy-urethane injections cannot get to any of these,duh! Its where some water can certainly enter but what do you care, right?
7-9) exterior drain tiles and the T-tile or some call it the bleeder. Yet again nothing wrong w/them. Take a hose and run water full blast, all day long through these tiles, nuttin happens,no water on floor etc.On the other hand, take a hose and run water along grade where crack is, water enters at,along wall-floor joint because......there is a crack,an opening that allows the dumb water to enter,sheesh! Got that Mr Haege?
10-12) Newer home in Macomb Twp, HO called because of this area in pics but also because on another area on front wall. Front wall leak-problem was ALL due to openings around first-floor living room window, thats right. Showed HO by running water test w/hose.
See that SHEETING against wall? Builder did blchtt injection,obviously still leaks and Mr Builder is long gone and so is the SUPPOSED LIFETIME Guarantee....bye bye.
The sheeting does NOTHING except, HIDE-conceal THE PROBLEM.
HO also leaks where there is a crack in control joint. Some ROD ho`s will soon leak on ALL 4 walls.
Jefferson homeowners file radon lawsuit http://www.wvrecord.com/news/215763-jefferson-homeowners-file-radon-lawsuit ...'the subdivision`s problem.....a radon specialist dicovered that the pipe labeled "radon" in the basement was really for sewage from an upstairs toilet...test showed that the house had more than twice the amount of radon levels that are set by EPA standards'
'We determined they tried to fool the inspector....45 homes and none of them meet building codes.The builder either put in fake systems or they installed them incorrectly'
If you have a leaky basement and get estimates, those who come over and try and sell ya some kind of INSIDE system, do they TEST for radon BEFORE they sell and install the drain tile or baseboard system....you know, BEFORE they CREATE MORE OPENINGS in your basements? Huh? Do they even bother to bring up the real possibilty that installing an inside system can INCREASE radon levels in yer basement/house?
OTHER soil-gases can/could enter your basement through the same openings. They mention this to ya`s?
Yep, inside systems leave a GAP,a space between the floor-wall joints and/or they`ll drill holes in yer block walls. See how radon enters again, that EPA link
Umm no, thats not true Scotty,sorry.Be honest or competent for once will ya`s please,sheesh. An interior system that ya talk about doesn`t stop/prevent water,insects,radon etc from entering a basement through exterior cracks and other openings so, how does it work as well?
It also does not remove/relieve soil pressure and other weights/pressures that cause many cracks,existing cracks to widen,wall to bow in,subsequent leaks,mold `n efflorescence due to those leaks,due to water-moisture still entering through those cracks that you people leave open on the outside. Go back `n read Faifax County VA,US Army Corps Engs,Yoder Grp,Shaker Hts Bldg Dept links.Read that EPA radon link, the ABC news Mold story and so on.
Say yet again,as is OFTEN the case,whoever put this crap inside system in did NOT identify the actual problems,didn`t identify where the water FIRST enters into the block wall. Through exterior cracks etc etc. Nope, they just BS the homeowner and sell them the ONLY thing they do
She still leaks,mold contining to grow due to those exterior cracks/leaks and B-dorks say they are not responsible,not their problem,the system they installed works fine and soooo on! NONSENSE you dumb chtts. YOU...are either incompetent and or frauds baby, thats right.
Ok, back to FOOL....i mean supposed-Foolproof cure Sheesh K, won`t get into all the crap but... see where it says, 'the flange is designed to leave a small gap along the wall'....yeah and did YOU do a radon test sir? Not important? Not your business? Chtt man, it certainly is your business,you are creating more openings for soil gases to enter the basement
Sir, whats up with your BBB consumer complaints? Thought you stated the system is FOOLPROOF??? lololOLLoL
Then article brings up MOLD...'finishing touches'. It says they often install fiberglass panels OVER the interior basement walls,says panels won`t support mold growth. Well, what about MOLD on the basement wall(s) BEHIND the stupid panels? Good god bro,get real.
Video....... --> Ridiculous Bill of $35,000 Weighs on Hamlin Family http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ridiculous-Bill-...a80em0r2NzGxlQg.cspx WHERE O WHERE are The Nutcrackers now? Lifetime Guarantee? Experts? BBB states, 'this company appears to be out of business'. So umm, this couple and all other homeowners who hired these misfits, what happens to those supposed-wonderful LIFETIME Guarantees?
Emerson Lake and Palmer/The Endless Enigma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhW0VPsZpeo lyrics 2:35 'You`ve been MISLED by the thoughts in your head...your words waste and decay nothing you say reaches my ears anyway,you never spoke a word of truuuuuth! Why do you think I believe what you said, few of your words ever enter my head, i`m TIRED of HYPOCRITE freaks with tongues in their cheeks turning their eyes as they speak, they make me sick and tirrred!'
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drobertsc/2598331871/sizes...t-72157605731801644/ This homeowner has been bs`d. Somebody talked them into an inside system. See step-cracks? Cracks are open on the outside people! Gotta go outside and waterproof them all to stop/eliminate water `n that mold,efflorescence on walls and take soil pressure,possible roots,footing etc off the outside walls.
Says,is very pleased,did homework etc. Well ok, whatever ya want/think. Beams previously installed. Beams or straps are NOT going to remove exterior soil pressure or roots or footing or concrete slabs etc and yet again....the inside system will NOT stop/prevent further water from entering....and your pleased??? http://www.flickr.com/photos/drobertsc/2717910947/in/set-72157605731801644/
Without ANY doubt this homeowner,whether they admit it or not, was bs`d....plain and simple,just have to open yer eyes and brain a lil and not believe the ton of nonsense/false claims these bozo companies tell ya.
pic 1. Lateral pressure causing typical 45 degree stair-step crack in block basement wall.SEE the INSIDE crap done,did it remove exterior pressure/weight? No. Did it stop water from entering through the exterior step cracks? No.
And what does this homeowner/Roberts have in pic #1? Step cracks among others.
pic 2. Lateral pressure causing vertical crack pic 3. Lateral pressure causing top of basement wall to bow inward 9 inches.(pilasters failed to brace wall?
Crawlspace http://www.flickr.com/photos/drobertsc/2598237490/sizes...t-72157605731801644/ No water is getting into the blocks from the outside? Encapsulating the crawl is going stop water from entering? Going to stop mold etc on the inside blocks, BEHIND whatever these inside goofs put up against the inside walls? Your outta yer mind.There are problems/openings on the outside for god sake.
Apparently bought house,ASSUMED there were no basement leaks/water http://www.flickr.com/photos/7364265@N02/434539928/ Says,they figured mold/water stains had been from the past `n hadn`t been cleaned....thought might have been ?fixed? by newly poured concrete path along the side of house....but when they moved in they found water coming in through wall
Some leakage still? Umm, yes lol...for the 80 millionth time,your problems/leaks must be correctly/honestly diagnosed,identified, quit getting blshtt`d into inside systems you do NOT need and do not STOP water-moisture from entering exterior cracks `n other openings,sheesh. http://www.flickr.com/photos/asy/72880309/in/photostream/
Sir....comes in from exterior openings,stays inside the blocks...can wet/dampen any of the blocks as it falls through the lower courses and comes usually comes out at,along the wall-floor joint. http://www.flickr.com/photos/asy/72880322/in/photostream/ And whats with the mastic/black stuff on wall? Did knucklehead inside co put that on? Did anyone bother to do a radon test before creating more gaps/openings in basement?http://www.flickr.com/photos/asy/72880276/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kyleperry/365066882/ Sir, filling in the cracks from inside the basement won`t stop water,mold,efflorescence thats on your walls. You have exterior cracks and other openings that need to be repaired outside,this is where you need to spend some time,money.But whatever,your house of course.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28992838@N07/2744819563/in/photostream/ See those gaps/spaces between where they put cheap plastic and wall, radon can come into basement, see pic 1 again,notice those gaps? Fine way to treat you `n yer families.Ask the peeps in hgtv-land again,do these salespeople/owners who install inside systems tell you,warn you about the possibily of an increased risk/exposure to radon when they put this junk in? And what about mold?
Doin` the top 2-3' of a wall doesn`t waterproof the WHOLE dang wall,hello? Vertical cracks extend all the way down,steps cracks go....down and fairly often there will be a horizontal crack way down, at the top of the first block up off footing,yes indeedy.Don`t see any hydraulic cement either lol. Hey Never Dry and others, you people need some serious help.
Open mortar joints. Well, since some wanna let water,radon in...may as well let the BEES in too. NAH, don`t worry about exterior cracks/openings,just put an inside system in. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sillydog/195919211/
Hey Prof W.-- A man after my own heart. I've been seeing all these things you mentioned as well as the schemes and outright lies about a lot of waterproofing techniques and the drainge in the basement issue.
It's not what the company's say. It what they don't or won't say. You are the Robin hood of Consumer protection. --MM.
We`ll assume there are cracks on exterior of wall/company did water test and/or some cracks are visible from inside. Also assume they`re doing that 1 wall,can`t tell for sure but lets say 30'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plsXezmI7a0&feature=channel_page
Say again, not purposely knocking them..... I/we don`t want to hand-dig but it is best for all/everything concerned. Eliminates the possibility of equipment/operator hitting any service lines, even when they know exactly where they are,have seen it happen fairly often. Or unintentionally hitting the house etc.We all have bad days.
Also when using equipment,even just a trencher, you`ll most likely ruin quite a bit of the homeowners grass,and best be careful when getting close to neighbors grass/home etc. And one will need the room to use a trencher.
In vid, ya see the dump truck on lawn,near house. Say yet again, no disrespect,am sure the company owner got the OK from the homeowner.Still, just my opinion, this could have and should have been hand-dug and backfilled w/wheelbarrows,everything by hand which would have saved the cost for partial new lawn.
And never good idea to run a dump truck,even a smaller one, over the sidewalk. May bust several slabs...another possible cost to homeowner.Let me say this before go anymore...lol, i would STILL have the waterproofing done this way,if they have to versus ANY inside system,yes sir.
Another thing that worries me a lil is i don`t see any visqueen over the mastic.
I didn`t hear anyone say they use hydraulic cement in/over all cracks,on `n under those bsmt window sills and where those bricks sit on wall and on any bricks that`ll be below grade when they are done.
If ya noticed, we always show the homeowners the cracks and other openings and, take pics of them.Wish they`d have shown crack(s) etc.
When asked... what they find down there? They say no `stone. 99.9% of the time ya won`t find any gravel/peastone down there.Sometimes there will be a few inches of 'cinders' over the tiles.
Say again, the exterior tiles have nothing to do with why water enters through cracks and other openings on exterior wall or through above grade openings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9qNw8oPQ_M Truck on lawn,sidewalk. Just won`t do this,whatever.At least wall is getting waterproofed outside and no inside system crap. Don`t need those vertical clean outs for drain tiles imo,30 years says ya don`t..again whatever, won`t hurt anything but could increase cost of job a lil when its not necessary,just my 2 dang cents.Did ya`s go end to end,the whole wall? `Cuz it appears corners aren`t dug out. Maybe ya did those last,just wondering because this is what many HO`s have at/around corners http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=216590473/Pi...1847456/t_=122238283 Vertical crack and crack around- the-corner,see scraper??
Homeowner...Mr Smithberger sounded like, HI Mr Smithberger! lol Hope he was told about the equipment,trucks on property and POSSIBLE damage
Again, don`t see visqueen,oh well.Should have used it bro.Equipment may be 'cool' to some, not me. What it is...is, cool you don`t have to run those wheelbarrows of stone from street, back `n forth after hand-digging the chtt out, that is work,just ask my guys.Dump trk and this truck....running some risks sir, just to save on labor and yeah, get done quicker.
No disrepsect to his guys/laborers here either as they are doing what they`re told, sheesh BUT, they didn`t have to hand dig much, maybe 1' along bottom, thats nuttin compared to hand-digging the entire bi_th out.
Gotta have very good laborers and PAY them to hand dig this shtt so, those owners like my azz make less, not complaining just making the point.He makes more and apparently does alot less, no digging,backfilling by hand etc....sorry, i call it as i see it/know it to be true.
Around 1:00 mark,says.... using the 'stone slinger' and ya won`t see many local companies using that. Sir, you won`t see many using it a) most companies down there install inside systems b)using the 'slinger' is risky, as i said.If ya haven`t already, sooner or later using the slinger and the dump truck is going to crack/bust some walk slabs,driveway slabs,ruin parts of the lawn and could/might/possible CAUSE a wall to bow in or cause other cracks etc.
Ya say, you try and get the job done w/as little damage to the customers property and yard as possible. Thats 'sounds' good but,Only way you/others are going to as lil damage as possible to lawn/property is to hand dig, was plenty of room.
Don`t know how much those trucks weigh but they are increasing the lateral pressure when ya have them close to the house/wall,so ya know.Yeah, prolly be ok most of the time but, it only takes ONE screw up, one wall to bow or see cracks widen inside etc.The 'slinger-truck' with the added weight of the stone inside plus its own weight,being fairly close to the house/walls,is scary ta me.Don`t let that insurance lapse bro!
Phil, some homeowners/neighbors may see this,hear from others about the use of dump truck & slinger on property,may not like that and then may opt for inside system....they shouldn`t but it gives them a reason to,it supports ONE thing those inside scam-ball companies tell homeowners.....that exterior waterproofing screws up lawn/concrete etc....ya see???
It kinda screws us few over a bit,like my azz who then has to explain to quite a few homeowners we will not screw up their lawn,won`t break squat cuz we don`t use equipment.
I KNOW you like more MONEY in yer pocket dude by not having to pay yer laborers the BIG dolla`s but if you think about whats been mentioned above......whats best for the basement wall(not subjecting wall to more lateral pressure from equipment)...whats best for the lawn,walks,driveways and possibility of hitting any underground service line or the house,its what best for everything concerned,hand-diggin` and backfilling.
Believe it or not i wish you,yer guys the best....the wall is still getting waterproofed. If footage was 30' and it looks to be about 6' deep then its a one day job,hand-digging/backfilling/clean up etc,one day and we`d have charged between $2,700-3,000. If some charge a lil more yer still better off than inside crap but,a lil more means just that. If someone wants $4,000 and UP then thats gouging,screw that,take the time and find someone else...just my opinion.
Water will often come onto FLOOR...at,along wall-floor joint YET YET YET...lol, they are BS`D by MANY INSIDE system scammers who tell them,misinform them,MISREPRESENT the actual problem(s) with FALSE Claims,incompetent bogus CRAP-O-LA for...self gain...sure they do! Capizzo,Stremmy,Downriver,SDW,Geiser,EOF and a few others KNOW this.It`s what MOST Home Imp Show HOSTS do NOT understand and/or do NOT want people to know because....they get PAID a nice chunk of money...from these inside system Co`s for advertisements and for being guests on show.And of course, the hosts love to tell ya how honest they are, how much they care about their listeners...blcchhhhhttttttt! Not on THIS subject, no ya don`t. You simply want...NEED that money,otherwise NO SHOW...no money,no show.
Give ya couple examples then i`ll shut the hll up for a bit.One HOST here in MICH likes to play both sides,with outside and inside contractors....wants all the money he can get.He RECOMMENDS on 2 different stations a company who ONLY does injections for poured wall cracks and ONLY applies cement on inside for block walls,then paints em.This company has an UNSATISFACTORY BBB record due to UNANSWERED homeowner complaints....plural.
Yet when ya listen to the radio shows,the host and the owner of company has the fcg nerve to tell anyone listening how honest they are, how they don`t have any customer complaints and so on....its PURE BS.LOOK at those pics of block walls,see cracks/deterioration??? NO WAY Mr injection liar can repair/waterproof those exterior cracks from inside the stupid basement!!!
In Ohio, another HOST ALWAYS recommends NEVER-Dry......if ya followed anything in this thread you`ve seen how many people they`ve screwed,for one,check on that WHAM -New York link recently posted,LISTEN to THAT HOMEOWNER g dang it,$35,000 and the HO`s have already shelled out $30,000 for clean up and legal fees! Have sent ALL these HOSTS many pictures and links-articles like Army Corps Eng/Fairfax/Yoder etc etc and they will not post those links/pics for their listeners OR, talk about them IN-FULL on the air....to HELP people, sheesh K.They don`t wanna pizz off those who PAY THEM!
Many homeowners ONLY need 1 or 2 corners done or, 1 area of 1 wall (crack) or, 1 wall and should NOT be BS`D into a full INSIDE perimeter system tyhat costs $7,000 to $20,000 based on LIES and INCOMPETENCE.
Freakin amazing some have posted and attacked......my az and yet say NOTHING about these TRUE g dang stories and the incompetent-complaint-loaded,scamming company. Hey, butheads,LISTEN to THIS couple will ya please, this shtt that happened to them DIDN`T have to occur. Now they have a house they prolly can`t sell,not worth anything near what it was.Do YOU CARE?? http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/Ridiculous-Bill-...a80em0r2NzGxlQg.cspx
I cannot imagine coming home next door and seeing that truck anywhere near my lawn. The method of backfilling never mind the trenching with a backhoe in such a tight space let alone the ' voyage of the lemmings )following the gravel pieces all in one spot or at least it seems so in the vid ( down into the trench )is drastically close to the corner of the house.
How many trees died to make this film. I saw many thick roots and can almost imagine neighboring trees dying suddenly from no apparent reason.
I love the Parade of trucks all coming from the bowels of the garage door to drive around the block9 all with different states listed on every other truck. THen parking along the curb, and stopping for lunch at McDonalds. Fast Emergency 24 hour Servive.
I mean they have neato yellow flashing lights.They must be legit. The vids got worse the more I saw. The last one because of a computers brain of the women eating a rolled up hairball for $20. I felt like throwing up. Can't wait to install a new sound card so I can hear what those EMERGENCY SEWER WORKER"S ARE saying to the videographer taping them all lined up at the curb.
Hand digging is much harder,takes longer, and costs more but is much safer in the long run.. Sure the Army of ants in fast-motion was impressive.
The soil tamper that followed after the soil dump compacting the soil to a heavily unpenetrable layer of hardpan was impressive and the weight they carried ( in god knows how many actual trips ) they made all in one spot.
That bodes well for drainage of water. Now all I need is an airplane acreage to do the same demonstration. Just not around my house. Are you sure they weren't strip mining in reverse and showing it backwards. That would make more sense. How does that show a small lot size near other homes how that would work on a smaller scale ....Gotta run.--MM. I hear my wife calling. Those should be HOW NOT TO DO IT VIDS.
Loved the family run business...NOT. Geez. How many years of experience combined do you think them ohio lads had combined. Thanx Prof W. Eye-opening indeed. I'll tell you of my hand-digging and de-stumpping, and derooting of my own front yard of 70 year old Heavily packed clay soil. Full of English Ivy ; also 70 yrs old and growing. --MM.
Ok, so do local chapters follow through `n have the mighty Inside bozoz`s over for TEA and CRUMPETS? And what might they discuss? How to fix a door knob? Light bulbs? How honest and exp`d many EXTERIOR contractors are? No,don`t think so. http://pa.nachi.org/pocono-northeastpa/event292.html Bsmt Systems
Craig does Home Inspections....AND......basement waterproofing. Hmmm, conflict of interest. http://activerain.com/homespec
Say again, home inspections AND basement waterproofing? And umm, they install inside systems,the Beaver-Cleaver system. http://www.basementfix.com/index.html
Then.....lolol, add to all this nonsense,back to NachiTv, fast forward to about the 13:15 mark http://www.nachi.tv/episode54 'Trust me'. Educational fliers. Wet basements.......block walls
He says, he found an article which supposedly says/claims when a homeowner has a leaky basement,block walls, they can apply PAINT to inside wall(s) and that it...'ABSOLUTELY stopped the water from coming in'!!! LooLloOOllLlLLL Ok hot shot.
Then claims he delivered those fliers to all his referrals etc etc and SOLVED the problems/wet basements and ummm,Mr Ken is the hero! Oh god.
Dude is NOT remotely close to being any sort of basement waterproofing/foundation expert. The PAINT does not identify/locate/diagnose ANYONE`s problem NOR will it SOLVE the problem.
How about anything like this? http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=2397366...1847456/t_=122238283 What people need sir is to FIRST, before painting anything etc, find where-how the dumb water is first entering,find/locate the problem(s).....thats right Mr Hero. Painting a block wall doesn`t do this,doesn`t do squat other than,paint the inside blocks! sheeeshh
How about homeowners who have wet basements/block walls but the actual problem-remedy is something like this http://picasaweb.google.com/nate.hinz/TheRootOfAllEvil# You see what this guy says sir? He had water backing up in basement,needed line s n a k e d. PAINT doesn`t define nor fix this problem either.
Definitely another day in the imaginary verbose opinion of the resident expert and nit-picker.
Since the garbage citations were hand selceted, the only thing worth noting was the comments that referred to NACHI. It is a group that gets certified on-line (I got 100% when I took the childish test). The thing to watch out for is that it is sort of a sham because the inspectors are also allowed to be contractors that can do work on the customers home after producing a "report". Othe reputablr groups do not allow that and especiailly state that require real tests and experience to get certified.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by concretemasonry: Definitely another day in the imaginary verbose opinion of the resident expert and nit-picker.
Since the garbage citations were hand selceted, the only thing worth noting was the comments that referred to NACHI. It is a group that gets certified on-line (I got 100% when I took the childish test). The thing to watch out for is that it is sort of a sham because the inspectors are also allowed to be contractors that can do work on the customers home after producing a "report". Othe reputablr groups do not allow that and especiailly state that require real tests and experience to get certified.[/QUOTE
Well, Boo fcg hoo! Your the one who thinks he his an expert on every freakin topic,now thats fancied!! I don`t care if you took 5,000 online courses,you don`t add much of anything on this thread,topic. I don`t care if you lived in Zanzibar and took opium rek-taly or built a sandbox for the Dalai Lama.
Look, you don`t like my azz and i certainly don`t care for yours so why can`t you simply stay off one thread and continue playing Bullwinkle on the other message boards/chatrooms yer in. You see me taking monthly shots at you on those other message boards where you post?
--MM.
versus ANY inside system,yes sir.
