Ok Inside so-called experts

here ya go.....

why don`t you people be honest and explain on each estimate to every homeowner that....

1) an Inside drain tile or baseboard system will not stop/prevent ANY water-moisture from entering their house due to cracks or other openings below and above ground

2) and that when they hire someone to do an Inside system then, tell the homeowner that there will MOST likely be an INCREASED likelihood of MOLD in basement and YOU do not guarantee the potential mold problem

3) why not just tell homeowners, be honest and tell them Inside systems will keep most/all of the water that will still-enter, off most of their basement floor

4) tell people that radon gas and insects can still enter their basements through-outside openings even after they pay $5,000 to $17,000 for an Inside system...tell them you drill holes in hollow-block walls which certainly allows much easier access for radon to enter basement. That you leave gaps/spaces OPEN along cold joint which allows much easier access for radon under FLOOR to enter basement....be honest and tell the public the TRUTH PLEASE!

5) why not just fully explain to those who have bowing wall or cracks in wall(s) that by having any inside system done, those cracks may indeed WIDEN due to outside soil pressure, roots etc.

6) be honest with them and tell them that even if you put carbon-straps, beams etc on Inside,on-against a bowing basement wall that the CAUSE of the bowing-cracks is most likely due to the soil on outside against wall and that they would be better off to get rid of the "Cause" which will lessen/relieve FUTURE pressure, yeah, the strong likelihood of the wall getting WORSE.

7) Just tell them that the carbon straps-beams etc placed inside cannot possibly take outside pressure off their basement wall. Tell them it 'might' help add some stability to the bsmt wall....for a lil while, but their money would be BEST spent getting rid of the expanding & contracting soil `n roots `n other crap builder usually backfills with

8) why don`t ya be honest and tell each homeowner that when homes are built, they are ONLY-at best parged or damproofed and that, the truth is there is a big difference between damproofing and Waterproofing and, backfilling with peastone versus what most builders backfill with which is....the same soil excavated is what they dump back in against their bsmt walls

9) why don`t you explain to all homeowners on every estimate that, when the homeowner ONLY has water coming UP-through crack in floor that they 'might' indeed "ONLY" need to have a plumber snake through storm trap-cleanout...instead of NOT mentioning this and pushing an Inside drain tile or baseboard system

10) why don`t ya` s tell homeowners that you can give them a DRY basement FLOOR with an Inside drain tile system BUT, having a dry FLOOR does NOT mean their basement walls won`t leak, crack, bow and that any water/moisture entering through the wall is most peoples problems and Mold can certainly become a problem and they`ll eventually need to Waterproof the crack/problem area from the Outside to solve water entry which will prevent further mold.

11) i could go on `n on but...one more....why don`t you tell them that the sheeting, yeah the white thin sheeting many of you use and place against the inside of a wall is basically useless and if anything will hide & conceal any mold/efflorescence/crack widening etc, be honest. Tell them that any water/moisture entering THROUGH the wall where you uys placed that sheeting is a perfect breeding area for MOLD, for insects. Just what any homeowner wants huh, a DRY basement Floor with wet/damp basement walls that are or will get moldy, radon or insects entering and running around etc etc....yeah, thats great!

Hey....do you people understand `n care about those people who cannot have mold growing in their basement? They may have an asthmatic child who plays in basement or maybe they wanna turn basement into bedroom for child...what about seniors and others, people don`t want this crap growing in their basements nor do they want Increased chances for it to grow.

Placing a pipe in a floor does NOT stop/prevent radon from entering peoples basements THROUGH gaps and spaces left open by Inside systems. It also enters basements THROUGH cracks or even tiny-openings in basements walls which you guys do NOT seal/waterproof on the outside.

Its rather obvious that just about all of you inside peeps do NOT have a clue as to how hard it is to Hand-dig, the back,leg,arm-breaking JOB it is....digging in clay surrounded by bricks,blocks,wood,concrete pieces,cans etc tossed in/backfilled by builders.

Then as ya try and dig down through that crap there are many jobs ya have to around/under ggas lines,electric lines,water lines,sprinkler lines.....do YOU really know how it takes mentally and physically to do this? And for 28 years?

then to be told be some-of-you that what i and some others have done/guaranteed over all these years does not work? You people are outta yer minds! Of course it works, otherwise, we`d all have been on the news-exposed a looooong time ago! knock knock, anybody home?

you think at my age that i want to hand dig these basements? lolololol

its what the basement wall, the crack(s) in walls NEEDS!!! Its what the homeowner needs to stop/prevent water, mold etc etc!

if an Inside drain tile or baseboard system stopped/prevented water from entering these cracks & stopped/prevented mold-radon etc....then i`d have been doing inside systems a looooong time ago...grrrr....i don`t and neither does Capizzo Construction, RL Stremersch Waterproofing, Clark Waterproofing, Downriver Waterproofing and a few others cuz....they do NOT stop/prevent these problems!

Has nothing to do with being BIASED on Exterior waterproofing! Its simply what doing-the-job has shown us, we`ve seen the problems `n causes over a very long time which has, all by itself, given us the answers/remedies to MOST peoples problems....got milk?

Ok, answers baby....honest answers PLEASE!

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Dear lwp: I'm not an inside expert as You say, but I do have many satified consumers that I have done both inside and outside work for.
I'll answer Your little tirade of questions one by one.
1. no one can guarantee against water coming in from a source that wasn't addressed in the intial scope of a project, including You.
2. Mold is ubiquitous. No one can guarantee against mold,including mold remediation companys, and You.
3.I am honest and tell people exactly what I can do,how much it will cost,what the results will be, and how the work will be warranteed. I base this on the homeowners desired results, not on the one size fits all plan, like You.
4.I don't warranty against insects or radon gas, because I fix foundations. I'm not a exterminater or radon remediater.
As far as drilling holes in blocks, it's code in new construction where I'm at that the bottom course is either a premanufactured weep block, or weeps have to be installed.
I'm of course sure that You warranty against radon, and insects.Do they have building inspectors in east detroit?
5.I fix, repair, and strenghten walls.I warranty against any further movement. If there is any I fix it at no cost to the homeowner.
6. I'm very confident in all the methods that I use to repair foundations.I transfer this confidence to My customers both verbally and in written form.
7.See above.
8.I work wih consumers, they really don't want some excavater puking information all over them about how thier home wasn't built correcrtly. They have a problem. they want it solved for a fair price, with a warranty that they can feel confident in. In other words they want results. So far I've been very successful providing these results for consumers in my area.
9.I do.
10.I make basements completely dry and structuraly sound and usable as living areas, and warranty the same. Do You?
11.Yes You could " go on" as You say and probably will. but the fact of the matter is after all is said and done, I've satified many homeowners using all different methods, and they are all very happy. If for some reason they weren't happy,I would do whatever it took to make them happy.
From what I can gather from your posts is
1.You use only one method to fix everthing.
2. You never mention Your warranty, Do You in fact warrant Your work?
3.You spend a lot of time online being critical of others work. This leads Me to the conclusion that You probably don't do a whole lot of work, which would put Your so called "expert" status under suspicion.
What I would recommend for You is a membership in the NAWSRC, You can learn about new products, and tips on becoming more successful in Your buisiness.I'm no expert so We could probably learn things from each other. Respectfully,Frank O'Pinion

LicensedWaterproofer has posted link after link after link to web sites that document failures by so-called "inside system" installers. Have you managed to post even ONE that documents a complaint about HIS work?

You fail to comprehend that before he proceeds to use his one method of remediating water entry to basements, he performs certain tests and suggests inexpensive alternates for the homwowner to pursue, BEFORE proceeding with foundation waterproofing. Do YOU do that? Or do you just take the money and start digging?

We all realize that no one, not even YOU, can guarantee against such things as mold, radon and vermin. There are too many variables for that to be possible. But IF water is PREVENTED from entering a basement space, one's odds are a heck of a lot better than those of someone who allows all of those to continue to enter unabated.

I don't know what code applies where you work, but the International Residential Code, which is in wide use throughout the country, does NOT require that the foundation be perforated so that those undesireable elements may continue to enter unabated. I suspect that this code requirement in your region was something pushed through by a certain lobby, because, in my opinion, it would create more harm than good. It is, in simple English, pure insanity.

just what i thought, NO you cannot

inside systems don`t stop water from entering Outside cracks & other openings, which is, most folks problems.

and so, inside systems won`t stop/prevent mold/efflorescence and cannot stop radon gas and insects from entering the smae pathways-openings....is this what you said Frank?

Inside systems do not relieve/lessen lateral hydrostatic soil pressure `n roots which cause many basement walls to crack, leak, bow inward, gotta have Correct-Exterior method done to help these REAL problems, is this what you said Frank?

lolol...Frankie...you say "I make basements completey dry".....lolol, only way your going to accomplsih that 90%++ of the time is if you do an Exterior method and backfill correctly.

You say "you make basements structurally sound"....Frank, sheesh, let me ask you....when a basement wall is bowing in or, when they have a wall with cracks that are widening, do you exacvate, haul away all the soil/roots and other crap,and waterproof the wall `n backfill w/all peastone? let me know Mr Frank

of course you dont 'warranty' against insects/radon...ya big goof. BUT, do you UNDERSTAND how-where radon gas and insects enter homes? thats the question..

lolol on the mold too.....of course you prolly push/tell people they need dehumidifier cuz, if you do inside drain tile & baseboard systems then, your not stopping water from entering. Geez...

and its CODE to drill holes on Inside of block walls? Hhaha.....if thats true then, whoever set-the-code dunno how radon enters, how bottom courses of block can deteriorate due to, allowing water to continually enter.CODE is WRONG and NOT what is best for ANY homeowner.

Frank...if what i`ve been saying is NOT true, why don`t all you Inside guys get together with all the money many of ya seem to have and take me to court, prove me wrong, i`ve been waiting for a looong time frank,lets go.

Basement Doc in PA made 27 million last year, Atlantis quite a bit too, same w/Everdry and many more.....hey, did you read the entire article i posted yesterday?

Thing is Richard, in my honest opinion, any code, any inspector etc that thinks/says its ok to drill holes in peoples block walls better.....re-think or, face the consequences. what i mean by that is, if they are going to OK something that can cause problems in a citizems home-basement, then we all as citizens have every right to go back on the city/inspector whoever to collect the money that`ll be needed to correct the problem(s).

The sooner MORE people stand up and start barking is when a city/township etc will change their tune/code/whatever...whats right is just that, i`ll prove for instance, drilling holes in block walls can certainly allow radon much easier access into basement, having inside systems done, Often for a TON of money, cannot possibly stop/prevent the many things you and i both have tried to bring attention to, we both know homeowners need ALL the information at their fingertips so that they can make the Best decision about all these potential probelms but again.....with the many and growing Inside Co`s who have tons of money, its darn near impossible to get ALL the facts out to `em.

And see, even then.....when they call 5 or so companies for estimates....most likely 4 or 5 outta those 5 will only or rather do, yep, Inside systems. Lololol, imagine what they are thinking...lets say they call 5 and 4 are inside Co`s, 1 is Outside. They are Most likely going to believe the inside co`s and think that the lone (1) outside guy is crazy..ya know? They prolly thinking...hmmm, honey, 4 guys all agree and 1 says something completely different, hmmmm, all 4 can`t be wrong can they? lolol...so they toss out the Outside guy! i`ve had it happen several times, the homeowner went with Everdry!!!! Their mistake!

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LW,
Who is miss leading who?
You are one person. The so called experts, NAWSRC.org, home inspectors, engineers, talk show host, my self, franko, everyone in the industry maybe were right. I find it hard to believe that you’re the only person in the world that can waterproof a basement. We all offer lifetime warranties, with no problems. What kind of warranty do you offer? Let me guess when the basement leaks you say it’s not your fault. You probably say its humidity or drain tiles clogged. See the rest of us are men of our word if we say were going to fix the problem we fix it. If it leaks after that, we fix it for free no mater what the cost is to us. Yes, we have had a bad apple or to in our organization. Who doesn’t? They are being watched, and repremented. If you think that the organization needs work join and run for a board spot. Believe it or not I would vote for you. As dedicated as you are to waterproofing. Even if we disagree. I’m sure you’re a hard worker and like to teach. The nawsrc.org is not against you. They are out there to help independes like your self. It’s too bad that you feel you need to bad mouth anyone that thinks different from you. I personally invite you to our next meeting. I’m sure if you gave it a chance you would be a believer. If you agree to come I will even work it out to you will not have to pay to attend your first meeting. I also am a true believe in how we fix basements and only offer perment solutions to problems that wont shorten the life of the foundation. I am very serious about you coming to our meeting.

Basement Guy,

This is going to be a long one cuz, i insist on TRYING to answer your questions FULLY, got that? Unlike OTHERS i know....and, i`ve taken alot of time to answer YOUR questions, thing is, are YOU going to sit back and read and try and understand it OR, are you going to read lil bits of it and put your SPIN on it?

first of all, i`m not alone young man....go ahead and call RL Stremersch, Clark Waterproofing,Downriver Waterproofing,Capizzo Construction and...there are more. so there goes your lone-gunman-theory, just like JFK

i have posted their phone numbers before, you haven`t called them yet...they are waiting to speak with you, home-city inspectors, radio hm imp. hosts etc etc....in fact, they`ve been waiting quite a while but....NOBODY calls! lol

and by the way, i never said all engineers like i often say most/all home inspectors...no sir. fact is, many engineers agree but certainly not all.

i`m not the only person in the world ya goof. right now, i`m the only one posting, thats all that is. call the others i`ve mentioned over `n over, they`d like to give ya a wake-up call

Hmmm, i`ll try and answer your stuff...lets see..
NO, the ONLY times a couple homeowners who still had some water enter where/near the area-part of wall we waterproofed, they forgot or didn`t believe what i had already explained to them and that is

...."folks, you have a 2 part problem, one is a crack in the bsmt wall that allows water to enter and is creating mold/efflorescence on that part of the wall....this we or other honest outside contractor can fix for you BUT, you WILL need to either replace the basement window or try and caulk/seal the openings around the basement window. Until BOTH are correctly fixed, you will most likely still get water in, especially on those wind driven-longer rains because,lolol, there are still openings around the bsmt window"!!

I`ll also go as far as running a hose, a water test for them, to SHOW them exactly what i mean but like i say, some don`t believe or forget. But once they fix/replace etc the window, no more water...end of story....same goes for 2 part problems like, open mortar joints and other above ground openings, they`ll need to fix BOTH-all of the pathways to stop....all water from entering. Do YOU Basement Guy, understand this?

Only time we bring up potential humidity problem is...when there is one! lolol Big difference in high humidity level in basement and, water entering basement THROUGH crack(s) in basement wall! lol ya goof

lets see, what else...oh...guarantee? I`ve posted mine several times, you just didnt wanna read a lil more cuz you mostly dont wanna hear what i`ve got to say...lol

its a ......20 Year transferable guarantee on.......All waterproofed footage! Do you understand what that is, prolly not so i`ll have to post more to further explain....you see me answering yer questions but i dont see any honest answer coming from you guys on my questions, go figure.

Ok....when a homeowner has 1 part of basement wall, say 1 coner of a block wall where they leak, where they see water entering and often have mold or efflorescence,paint peeling etc etc on wall, same corner, then i `n some others/NOT any Inside guys lolol/ already know what the problem(S) is...they`ll either have whats called a "corner crack" on Outside of block wall....near-at corner...OR, they have cracked/porous bricks or maybe, open mortar joints or to much lesser degree, have NO gutters on house and water that comes off roof runs down/onto cheap-porous bricks and enters through the bricks and joints. I noticed quite a few homes in Pennsylvania have NO gutters, thats a mistake!!

Anyways Basement Guy, if they don`t believe me...they may have aleady had 1 or more Inside Co`s out for estimates, i`ll take the TIME and show them what/where and how water---rain is FIRST entering on the outside, then it gets into the hollow blocks and stays inside the block wall at/near corner and then, comes out ONTO FLOOR at/near the cold joint-cove.

And so, when i run the hose test 99 outta 100 now see what i was trying to explain to them, they see the water entering onto floor at cold joint, just like when it rains and they now also understand that, what the 1 or more INSIDE gofbalss were trying to sell them was NOT going to stop/prevent water from entering the crack on outside of wall near corner....got that? sheeesh

So you know Basement Guy....i do indeed explain to them that if they want, they could go ahead and have an Inside systems done BUT, lolol, it will not stop/prevent water,mold etc etc....and ya see Mr Basement Guy, after taking the time to SHOW them where water is first entering their basement, almost ALL of them understand. hey, when we come to do the work that IS needed, guess what else we do? after we dig out whatever area and brush & scarpe the wall/part of wall, we`ll knock on the door and ask them to come out to SHOW them the actual crack, yeah, take pics if they want, sure!

And Basement Guy, know what else PROVES to them that what they just hired us to do solved their problem? Ummm, how about NO water, ever, on their bsmt floor again, thats pretty good way of proving to anyone don`t ya think? lolol, prolly not...

Ok, back to 20 year transferable gurantee ON, All waterproofed footage. The reason it is worded as such Mr Basement Guy is because 1) i will NOT talk/bs any homeowner into any more footage than necessary to, fix the crack! Unlike others, who do indeed talk homeowners into all kinds of crap, incl`g many inside guys who`ll say " Oh, they`re just gonna leak somewhere else" and bunch of other nonsesne. Look, if the house has been there for whatever, 5-10-25-75 years and, they only have one leaky area/one crack then.....at THIS Point in Time, that is the Only area they need to fix/waterproof! IF there was a problem/crack/leak/whatever....somewhere else, they`d have got water in that other area.....hello? Or they may notice mold starting to grow on wall or, efflorescence etc etc. Fix whats broke at that point in time. Now, if they are going to soak thousands into remodeling basement and they have the money, sure...chtt, i`ll dig from here to China for anybody But at the same time....like i just said, if they was a crack or other openings/problem area they`d have most likely seen water or mold or efflorescence etc. hey, whatever THEY want, i just being honest w/them, thats all. But i will NOT talk them into anything more than whats needed at that point in time, ok?

hey Basement Guy, when you take your car in, say for a tune-up, are you going to let some goofball mechanic talk you into things you don`t need at, that point in time? Like, a new transmission or a new set of tires? lolol All ya wanted was your one problem fixed-correctly, a tune up, nothing esle cuz....nothing else was wrong at THAT TIME! lolol

Oh, basement Guy, when you say you have NO problems..umm, then why do sooo many Inside Co`s have quite a few BBB Customer Complaints just in the last 36 months? lolo...i know why but go ahead and give us your SPIN...by the way, you have a handful yourself, sshshhsh

And hey....your Lifetime Gurantee...is it anything like the supposed Lifetime Guarantee these guys just BS`d many homeowners into?

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061203/NEWS/612030416

By the way Basement Guy, i do indeed believe one or more in that story is one of your ORG high ethic/high standard members.....hmmm, doesn`t appear to be such high ethics after all, and the Inside Systems sure as heck look like they didnt do what the homeowners were told/sold...hmmm, interesting dont ya think Bsmt Guy?

A 20 year guarantee, thats right basement guy. i guarantee what i Know, yeah, i guarantee the length of time i have actually seen the exterior, when done work-last. And most likely, in a couple more years, i`ll be able to pop that 20 years to 25 years, know why? lolol, Cuz i`ve been around long enough to see how long it lasts, can YOU say the same thing?

Hmm...you say `n offer Lifetime gurantee right? Well, just how do you really-know your inside drain tile or baseboard system and the sump pump, are going to keep water off the Floor for a Lifetime.... last that long? You been in business for 10 or so years? Even any Inside Co who has been in business for 20 years couldn`t possibly know what is going to happen in 30 years, 50 years? and you say Lifetime..

But, it sure sounds good to some homeowners, doesnt it? Yep, it evens sways a few into buying your inside system...."Honey, 2 companys offer 10 years, 2 companys offer 20 years and one company says they`ll guarantee it for Lifetime"... duh, what sounds better to the UN-knowing homeowner?

hey Basement Guy, any job we and some others have EVER done over 25+ years,if they ever have a problem, we most certainly will fix it for free, sheesh....

I`m trying to answer what i may have missed from you,lets see... oh...drain tiles!!

No Basement Guy, have NEVER said to any homeowner on any estimate or anytime that, the Outside drain tiles are part/all of their problem. Know why? Want the truth? Can you handle the truth? lolol Jack N of course....

the truth IS...Outside drain tiles have absolutely NOTHING to do with why a basement wall leaks, thats right. It takes an opening9s)....a crack or other openings in the bsmt wall and/or ABOVE the basement wall to, get water into...say, a hollow block wall which obviously then can cause mold, efflorescence of wall, allow radon-insects to to enter and so on.

Outside drain tiles at best....will help take SOME water that, reaches the area of footing either...away from the house or, under the basement floor...through the T-tile at/near middle of walls...through the footing.

But that has Nothing to do with water that gets into soil and wicks-percolates down AND sideways......along basement walls and enters through any pathways in wall(s).

Sometimes there really isn`t a crack or opening around where a service line enters a basement wall, sometimes the parging that builder/suncontractor applied to outside of walls when house was built, sometimes it becomes brittle/loose, chtt, sometimes it was applied onto walls and NOT allowed to set, they backfilled too quick!

anyways, water can enter through the smallest of openings/pores in basement wall, so too can radon gas and quite a fw insects incl`g Termites. Hey, dont laugh or blow off the termites, they cause LOTS of damage/problems when allowed to ENTER homes, thats no joke!

This message has been edited. Last edited by: LicensedWaterproofer,

Methinks thou wastesth thine breath, sir.

But maybe a few homeowners who read what you've written will be able to save some money and a lot of headaches as a result.

Basementguy: I agree with You! And Richard, If He doesn't have any complaints in so called 28 years in buisiness,
.He probably has done little or no work at all.
I'm sorry but all the with all of the negativity spewing, it sounds like just another disgrunteled sub-contractor that feels he has been slighted by someone.He should take up the offer made by basementguy and try and make a more positive contribution to Our industry.Respectfully, Frank O'Pinion

When one side can only resort to personal innuendo of that nature, I guess the argument is won. I would bet LicensedWaterproofer has done more waterproofing jobs than all of you phonies put together, and then some.

You sound like someone who cannot answer his questions or refute his assertions, so all that's left for you to do is sling mud. You have, and you will continue to, miss your target.

Richard: I'm a betting man, how much would you like to wager? Respectfully, Frank O'Pinion

Can't do it, it would put me in too high a tax bracket.

nuff said

frankie!

thats one bet you will absolutely lose

lil or no jobs, Hhahahaa!!! getting close to 29 yrs Frank, problem is, you`d never pay the wager.Hey Frank, why don`t you call the other companies i`ve posted...several times, they are waiting.

Frank, you talk quite a bit, just like yer other Inside buddies but, there isn`t much-if any substance

Frank, anyone can do an Inside drain tile or baseboard system, its easy, nothing like hand digging, not even close

And Frank...i have a question for YOU, its an easy one ....how much do you charge per foot for your Inside system? Lets say, pretty much nothing in your way around the inside perimeter...AND...you know some/most of our companies names, whats YOUR company Frank?

Can someone please help me. I'm located in Detroit Michigan and need some recommendations of companies to call to fix my problem.

I have a rental home which the tenant called me 2 nights ago and told me the water was coming in form the walls of the basement. It appears to be on all 4 basement walls.
Before I rented the home out I scraped the walls and then reparied the cracks then used Dry Lok. I coated the walls 2x.
Anyways it rained a few days ago in Michigan and the tenant called and told me the wall is leaking it's has a slow trickle of water coming from it.
When I went to inspect it appears the brick at the very bottom of the wall that meets the basement floor is wet to the touch. This is occuring on all four walls of the basement.
I had DryDuck come out to give me an estimate and recommend and drain system be installed from inside.
Needless to say as I read the posting it appears this may not be the way to go.
Please let me know what I can do or who I can call to get a fair estimate to fix the problem.

In picking a contractor you need to be very careful, when on sites like this you have individuals that have no verifiable credentials. That likes to give the wrong advice. I think because of a number of reasons.

1) They think it’s funny.
2) They don’t have the know how.
3) In their business they do not have the equipment, or can they afford to rent it to do it right.
4) They only offer one fix. So that’s the fix you should buy. They think.
6) They can’t afford to advertise.
7) This is their only way to get jobs. By lying to people.

So buyer bewares. If any company from here or any where that only has one fix. RUN! Because that’s what they will say you need. If you have a basement leak, or foundation problem, you need to find a company that knows how to fix it all. They should have the ability to do all types of drainage. Inside and out. In most cases both.
I would always suggest that any contractor that you use. Should go through continues education. On a regular basese. The easiest way to get someone like this is to look the National Association of Waterproofers and structural repair. NAWSRC.org you should always look for nationally certified contractors first. Then who ever you use always check them out with the BBB and attorney general. You will find some people on this site that that will say that using these resources is dumb. Use your best judgment.

Good luck with your project.

PS. The only reason a few people on this site say to stay away from inside systems. Is because they don’t know how to do them correctly, don’t have the equipment, and don’t want to give warrantees.

Read the experience of someone who used an "inside" contractor that offered a lifetime guarantee...it's in another thread on this forum.

My guess is the National Association of Waterproofers and Structural Repair was founded by, and is supported by, a large group of contarctors who do "inside" water management (NOT waterPROOFing), who offer but do not honor "lifetime guarantees", and who wish to perpetuate the half-truths and mistruths under which they do business, and give legitimacy to them.

I suggest you READ any guarantee offered to you VERY carefully BEFORE signing any contract,

There are many reasons for water in a basement. Just about all of them can be permanently cured by a good OUTSIDE waterPROOFING job. Almost NONE of them can be literally CURED by "inside" water management.

You have seen voluminous posts in this forum. You have seen the same questions raised over and over and over again by a legitimate expert in his field. You have seen ALL of those who differ with this expert consistently FAIL to answer his questions and address his criticisms. What you have seen instead is character assassination, and muddying of the waters.

More can enter your basement through leaks, cracks, etc., than water. Radon gas is one of those things. Various vermin are among those things. Read any guarantee you are offered to see if the guarantee covers those things.

Many people sell and install certain systems (and I do mean SELL) because they are easy to do. Very few people will perform the kind of waterPROOFING work that is difficult to do and yet has the best chance of permanently siolving ALL the problems of a leaky basement.

Read through ALL the threads about basement waterproofing, and judge for yourself who consistently offers advice that carries the ring of truth. Judge for yourself whose work appears to offer permanent cures for ALL basement issues. Read what Shaker Heights, Ohio, on their official web site, has to say about "inside" water management systems. You will find the link easily if you look for it.

Then make your decision, and I wish you luck. I hope, for your sake, that it is the right one.