this HO`s original leak/problem was most-likely crack(s) and/or other openings in the bsmt wall(s) and/or ABOVE the walls.

"If" there was ANY chance a part of water problem was under the floor then, the FIRST thing to do is have an experienced plumber try and snake through any storm trap/cleanout and/or, through the tiles in an existing sump pit. NOT to simply ASSUME EVERYBODY`s problem is under the floor and somehow everybody needs an inside drain tile system, this is complete nonsense.

i`ll ask YET again, did they bother...ya know, take the TIME and have the EXPERTISE to properly define-diagnose HO`s leak(s) BEFORE writing up ANY kind of estimate for any kind of work...huh? i HIGHLY doubt it!

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic.../708140327/1002/NEWS

Most companies simply talk crap, misinform/lie/tell tales on estiamtes and almost always wind up wanting to install these inside drain tile or baseboard systems which, duh, don`t stop-prevent water from entering the wall(s) or above the walls in the first place!

Thats being INCOMPETENT.

HO has a 6" reinforced floor, sheesh! Not determining where the water was first-entering and then, cutting through a reinforced floor which apparently was reinforced due to home built on unstable soil.

An honest waterproofing expert will find where/how the water is first-entering so they can.....ummm, stop it and keep the cost
at the minimum required to FIX the problem. Don`t forget mold in these basements either, if you don`t eliminate the water then you will most likely never get rid of any mold or, can eventually GET a mold problem because water is still entering. Do i need to get into whats best for widening cracks or bowing walls? come on.

and lastly, read the couple 'StoryChat' comments near bottom.

and some get on this board/others and tell me i have a problem, i don`t know what i`m doing? lololololol Been on here, as Richard and few others have to TRY and HELP people, dang it!

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When they can't defeat the message, they try to shoot the messenger. Good thing LW is almost bullet-proof!

Lady was recently talked into an interior drain tile system, 3 walls. Company that did the system was recommended by hm imp radio show, i won`t say who lol.

Anyways, she still leaks in same areas and, another area after first decent rain since system installed....the company NOW, all of a sudden...NO longer does bsmt waterdiverting....Ha!

Ok so guess who calls and asks to go over there and define-the-problem? Yeah, thats right...the radio show.

If salesperson for company would have FIRST correctly defined-deteremined where the water was first entering/where the dang problem(s) is then she wouldn`t be out the thousands and still have to pay for whatever the correct fix will be, dunno yet, going today to help her.Hopefully it`ll only be some rod holes and/or openings above ground....for her sake.

Most-if not all of the companies recommended on hm imp shows PAY a hefty fee for their name to be aired `n given out...having lots of cash for advertising does NOT mean these are the best and most honest companies, least not in the wonderful world of basement waterproofing. Of course, there will always be those homeowners who want leak/problem solved immediately-YESTERDAY and/or just don`t know what they really need and/or are, half asleep most of the time and will believe anything.

I saved the original phone message from the radio show which cleary speaks of the screw up/incompetent company & salesman.I did indeed consider NOT helping, tired of bailing out these scamming co`s who often get away w/this crap with no consequences but, the homeowner always enters my aging mind...what their going through/they need help/don`t want to hear them getting TAKEN again.

they tried digging a ditch to help divert some water

http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/9137866.html#

some possibilities...

a) there already were cracks in basement walls
and heavy recent rains and/or the supposedly
extra run-off from road is now enough water
in the soil around home to enter
the...existing cracks.

b) its also possible that heavy equipment
used caused cracks in wall(s) and/or caused
possible hairline existing cracks to widen
which now allows water to enter, especially
after heavy rains.

c) there are no cracks in wall(s) and HO 'had'
a partial blockage under bsmt floor and now
with the heavy rains and/or extra run-off
from road is enough to cause water to
NOW accumulate under floor and rise up
through any opening/cracks in floor.

d) if they already have a sump pump/pit,
there is a blockage in drain tiles under
floor leading to pit

e) on heavy rains, water that didn`t go into
and down through soil...accumulated and
puddled near the house and first-entered
through/around those basement windows. If
so, openings around windows need to be
sealed...yeah sure,raise grade etc but
patch/fix any openings around bsmt windows
and along the grade/just above ground
level. Water can easily enter through
any openings around grade upon heavy
rains

yes,of course there are more lolol

Find how/where the water is FIRST entering! Don`t mean seeing it enter along cold joint/cove, that doesn`t tell the true story-problem/possible `n probable opening(s) on outside.

Be a good time to run the good old hose test to help determine their problem(s).Got milk?

Selling a home with a leaky basement?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribunereview/news/westmoreland/s_522669.html