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I am approaching this from the interior not the exterior therefore the caulk won't ever come in contact with the stucco. The flange of the window wraps the plywood which the stucco is adhered to. The only thing the caulk will come in contact with is the window frame (vinyl) and the plywood sheathing.

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Several problems exist with that method. First sealing to the finished surface of the stucco will not work. It has in it polymers that resist the sealant from sticking. Athough it may work for a short while, as the adhesive failure takes place moisture will wick into the area quite quickly. In fact the tigher the crack the faster the water will enter. second is you need to use a sealant approved by the manufacture of the stucco applied. Silicone is not the proper material to use. That is what the builders are using and it always fails. Proper caulking methods require bead breaker tape or backer rod with the proper sealant applied in an hour glass shape for it to perform properly. Check with the window manufacture to see what methods of sealing are required with their windows. Most likely they will require sill and cap flashings. Seveal of the larger window companies "Anderson and Pella" void their warranties if installed in a stucco home. Good luck

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I'm not entirely sure the stucco is EIFS but it might be. In any event it's not in New Jersey.
I also don't think the problem is the stucco but the improper flashing and sealing of the windows especially now that I've torn apart the interior of one. Anyway thanks for your thoughts.

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In NJ if the house is EIFS you cannot get homeowners insurance with the top carriers. Also if you decide to sell it through a relo company they will not handle it.

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The Home Care Club LLC

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Where is the house located. I know in NJ I have been in several legal issues regarding this stuff. You home warranty in NJ does not cover exterior cladding except for the first year only and then it is very limited in scope. Several larger law firms have broken the vail of the builders corp by the fact they are stating your siding is covered by the Home warranty offered. Simply caulking behind the window will not solve the problem You must stop the water before it enters behind the EIFS or you will have mold and rot development. Many contractors repair window details by cutting back around the window then performing the correct repairs. Once repaired they Picture Frame the window with a fancy trim to hide the repairs. If your in NJ and wish to speak to me contact me via email at buildingdiagnostics@comcast.net I can provide you with some very helpfull information. Been doing EIFS inspections for over 10 years.

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The Home Care Club LLC

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got your second post about the location while I was writing the last. Anyway to tell if you have EIFS simple knock on the outside of the wall. If it sounds hollow more then likely its EIFS. Lost of builders are getting around the EIFS issue by installing Hard Coat stucco with wire lath basecoat and finsish coat and that system has just as many flaws. Check out Exterior Design Institute "EDI" web site Not sure of the link but you can google it. They train stucco inspectors and have a wealth of knowlage about the subject.

Posts: 1439 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: 31 January 2006

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Wish I had spoken to you when I lived in Jersey as we had similar but not nearly severe problems with a house we built in Shamong Township. That house was Dryvit and the builder acknowledged the problems and made all the necessary repairs. He was a class act (a custom home builder). The house I'm having the problems with now is in Delaware. I'm not sure how I would go about stopping the water before it gets behind the stucco. Since the entire front of the house plus the sides are stucco, I haven't got a clue as to where it's seeping through except where it manages to get through the windows and damages the drywall. The entire house was covered with OSB plywood and then they applied screening to which they applied the stucco. The rear of the house is vinyl sided and not a single leak. Other than removing all the stucco and reapplying it, how would I go about preventing the water seepage?

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Originally posted by The Home Care Club LLC:
Where is the house located. I know in NJ I have been in several legal issues regarding this stuff. You home warranty in NJ does not cover exterior cladding except for the first year only and then it is very limited in scope. Several larger law firms have broken the vail of the builders corp by the fact they are stating your siding is covered by the Home warranty offered. Simply caulking behind the window will not solve the problem You must stop the water before it enters behind the EIFS or you will have mold and rot development. Many contractors repair window details by cutting back around the window then performing the correct repairs. Once repaired they Picture Frame the window with a fancy trim to hide the repairs. If your in NJ and wish to speak to me contact me via email at buildingdiagnostics@comcast.net I can provide you with some very helpfull information. Been doing EIFS inspections for over 10 years.

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The Home Care Club LLC

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The first issue is the OBS plywood, Once it gets wet it begins to swell. That in turn opens the gaps in the cracks and causes more water to enter.
EDI that I spoke with is in VA. I am sure they have some expert folks down your way to help you along. Also you can contact Stucco Dr, He specializes in stucco repairs.If you send me an email I will provide you with his number and perhaps he will go to you. I know he works both in NJ and Florida. Remember leaks start from the top and work down. I had a customer that had a basement leak which started from the gable roof vent. It followed the cracks in the plywood untill it leaked into the sill of the basement. Feel free to contact me if you wish.

Posts: 1439 | Location: New Jersey | Registered: 31 January 2006

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Thanks for all your help. I checked the EDI web site and there is an EDI certified inspector close by and the inspection services they provide appear to be exactly what I need. I think I'll give him a call and let him check things out while I have the drywall torn apart. Here's my email address - I would like the number for the Stucco Doctor if you don't mind. wyonker@astm.org

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Originally posted by The Home Care Club LLC:
The first issue is the OBS plywood, Once it gets wet it begins to swell. That in turn opens the gaps in the cracks and causes more water to enter.
EDI that I spoke with is in VA. I am sure they have some expert folks down your way to help you along. Also you can contact Stucco Dr, He specializes in stucco repairs.If you send me an email I will provide you with his number and perhaps he will go to you. I know he works both in NJ and Florida. Remember leaks start from the top and work down. I had a customer that had a basement leak which started from the gable roof vent. It followed the cracks in the plywood untill it leaked into the sill of the basement. Feel free to contact me if you wish.

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Wallcoat Joe

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Guys, check out www.myleakyhome.com for links to all the trades you are looking for. They were started after the hurricanes of '04 and has grown to cover the entire country. We offer a wind driven rain protective coating in FL and NY (growing) but there are links to the class action lawsuit against EIFS and its application on there. Go around the warranty and dig, google EIFS LITIGATION and educate yourselves. If you look you will be suprised. Joe.

Joe Mil***o
Wallcoat, Inc.
877-WALLCOAT
3377 Forsyth Rd
Winter Park, Fl. 32792

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Modern Wall Systems

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I happen to be a professional EIFS and stucco mason and have been for almost two decades.

The number one problem associated with EIFS, in my estimation is the fact the contractors are still installing over OSB and other inadequate substrates.

Use EIFS only on cementious substrates (cement board). You'll be glad you did.

*Warning*
Be very careful when contracting EIFS inspection so-called experts. If I were you I would talk to a competent stucco/eifs mason first.

Remember, just because the inspector arrives with a name badge and a wall scanner does not mean he/she is an expert at EIFS.

Remember, anyone can train someone to press a button and do backflips or whatever when the scanner thingy tells them the wall is wet. Not everyone knows what to do after moisture has been found.

Please hire a person with more experience than the 20 hours of EDI traing inspectors recieve.
It's up to you.

Get it done. Get it done right.

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LicensedWaterproofer

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Originally posted by The Home Care Club LLC:
Where is the house located. I know in NJ I have been in several legal issues regarding this stuff. You home warranty in NJ does not cover exterior cladding except for the first year only and then it is very limited in scope. Several larger law firms have broken the vail of the builders corp by the fact they are stating your siding is covered by the Home warranty offered. Simply caulking behind the window will not solve the problem You must stop the water before it enters behind the EIFS or you will have mold and rot development. Many contractors repair window details by cutting back around the window then performing the correct repairs. Once repaired they Picture Frame the window with a fancy trim to hide the repairs. If your in NJ and wish to speak to me contact me via email at buildingdiagnostics@comcast.net I can provide you with some very helpfull information. Been doing EIFS inspections for over 10 years.

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Originally posted by The Home Care Club LLC:
Where is the house located. I know in NJ I have been in several legal issues regarding this stuff. You home warranty in NJ does not cover exterior cladding except for the first year only and then it is very limited in scope. Several larger law firms have broken the vail of the builders corp by the fact they are stating your siding is covered by the Home warranty offered. Simply caulking behind the window will not solve the problem You must stop the water before it enters behind the EIFS or you will have mold and rot development. Many contractors repair window details by cutting back around the window then performing the correct repairs. Once repaired they Picture Frame the window with a fancy trim to hide the repairs. If your in NJ and wish to speak to me contact me via email at buildingdiagnostics@comcast.net I can provide you with some very helpfull information. Been doing EIFS inspections for over 10 years.

Home Care Club...Building Diagnostics?

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LWP, I need you assistance with a basement problem i am having in SE Michigan.

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