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I bought "this old house" and one of the previous owners had enclosed the patio (about 380 sqft) and made a mother-in-law's quarters out of the new area. I have reincorporated the area into the main house but since it was a former patio the floor sloops down about 6 inches over the 18 feet of room width. The previous owner had a plywood floor built on 2x6's that were tapered to match the sloop in the floor but I eliminated this. I would like to level the floor so I can put down tile but am concerned about the weight on the foundation of just filling in with cement. Also worried that since the area is surrounded by 4 walls of the house, that the pressure my damage the existing walls. Is there a better option to level this area?
 
Posts: 3 | Location: Cooper City Florida | Registered: 16 July 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I am not a professional, but I had a friend that did this in her dining room and it was fabulous! She did a brick floor in her dining room. It would certainly be in keeping with the architecture that you described and you may not have the problems with the leveling of the flooring underlamant. Just an idea...Good luck!
 
Posts: 1 | Registered: 25 July 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Frank, why did you eliminate a level living space, only to go back to a sloped outdoor space? Sight unseen,I think that you may have created further problems for yourself.

In Florida, where you live, homes are typically built slab-on-grade, with an exterior perimeter "foundation wall", as part of a monolithic pour. Patios are just poured on-grade, without the foundation, since there are, typically, no wall or roof loads imposed on the poured patio "floor". Accordingly, the building of walls and roof would impose loads which the patio was not designed to carry, resulting in concrete cracking and displacement.

The floor structure which you tore out, tapered 2" x 6", with plywood flooring on top, as you described it, created a sort of light weight "honeycomb" which allowed the loads of the previous walls and ceiling/roof to be partially distributed on the patio, not loaded just at the outside perimeter, since the plywood acts as a connecting diaphragm, transferring part of the loads to all tied-together members.

Without consulting a soils engineer, an educated guess as to the approach you contemplate would be that pouring a leveling layer of concrete would, indeed, over-stress the patio, especially at the unsupported edge, since the normal procedure would be to tie in the now-non-existing perimeter foundation to the poured concrete floor with re-bar, sized and spaced according to the engineer's calculations of what is needed to handle the proposed loads.
 
Posts: 105 | Location: West Haven, Conn. | Registered: 15 November 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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To WJ Parker, Existing floor was rotting and had to removed. There were no loads on the floor (columns, walls, etc.) so the overall structure is no different than before. You sound knowledgable and confirmed what I had suspected which is that the cement of the former patio is NOT part of the foundation and therefore whatever leveling I do must be a light one.... Thanks.
 
Posts: 3 | Location: Cooper City Florida | Registered: 16 July 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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