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This is my first post on this site and I have found a ton of useful info.
I am wondering if anyone has heard of/used the following type of insulation: Prodex Foil-Foam-Foil (FfmF)? Here is the blurb from the website: "14.5R value. Total insulation! Unaffected by moisture, it out-performs R30 fiberglass batt insulation in metal buildings. Ideal for commercial or residential applications alone or in conjunction with fiberglass. Reflects 97% of radiant heat. Saves up to 55% on heating and A/C energy bills. Two layers of reflective foil surrounding 1/4-inch closed-cell Polyethylene foam center. Superior to bubble wraps! Strong recommendation!"

How can this be better if it is only 1/4" thick!?

Should I use that for the following scenarios (I live in northern NJ):

1. I have a basement (exposed drylok-ed cinder blocks. There are 5/4 x 2 furring strips. Should I use the FfmF or 1" rigid foam boards or other? And with whichever is best suited is it just cut in between the "studs"? I intend to sheetrock over.

2. Exterior walls of various rooms (kitchen, dining room, foyer) exterior walls are 2x4 construction and currently has R11 kraft-back fiberglass insulation. Again should I remove and use FfmF or replace with R13 or R19 kraft-back or add over exiting, etc?

3. Attic currently has the same R11 on the floor. There is plywood on the floor in the center with exposed insulation on either side. Same question as scenario #2 if the FfmF the way to go or add another layer of fiberglass, etc?

I would GREATLY APPRECIATE someone guiding me in the best direction in an effort to save some crazy energy bills and also guide me in the proper way to install (remove & replace vs. add in addition to existing, etc).

thanks in advance!
 
Posts: 13 | Location: northern nj | Registered: 21 March 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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How about a link to the technical data sheet for the product?

The marketing people can say whetever they want.

The technical data sheet is where the real skinny is...

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Ok I found some info:

http://www.insulation4less.com/highr_FfmF.asp

Looks good and the price is right. About $.30 cents per sq ft. That can be cheaper than fiberglass or even cellulose.

Problem is you can only get a maximim insulation value of R 14.5 and cannot improve insulating ability by using more layers.

So you would have to use this product in conjunction with another type of insulation to meet minimum energy codes where applicable.

Seems like a decent way to improve thermal performance of walls and ceilings.

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Posts: 362 | Registered: 19 July 2005Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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thanks for the reply homebild!
So if I can ask to make sure I totally understand you, would you use the FfmF in the basement or go with the standard 1" thick rigid foam board (I have seen R4.5 & R6 boards)? I only have a 1" deep cavity between the 5/4 x 2 strips. And then with respect to the exterior walls of the house and the attic floor I gather you would add the FfmF to the existing R11 kraft-back. Is that accurate? I am just looking for the best way to insulate these areas.

Here are a couple of links for some tech data from the insulation4less.com website:
reg insulation vs. radiant barrier

FfmF tech data

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Posts: 13 | Location: northern nj | Registered: 21 March 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by Denver:
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Originally posted by Denver:
Prodex Buyer Be Careful!

The Prodex product appears to be very suspect in its claims of a high R value. I went to the Prodex SA website and saw the Florida Solar Energy Center, a research institute connected with University of Central Florida listed prominently as an affiliate. I contacted their director and he said the center has no affilations with any businesses and he will contact them and ask them to remove this reference. He further stated that this product can not be considered to have an R value of 14.5 for convective heat loss, the primary form of winter heat movement through walls and ceilings in cold climates. (The two layers of aluminum act as a radient heat reflector, which is how this product should be used.) In other words, inspite of what appears on this and the associated websites, this product should not be used in place of several inches of fiberglass batting or other similar insulation.

That this product is primarily a radient heat barrier is is further reinforced by this product information taken from the Prodex SA website:

Prodex is an incredible effective multilayer reflective insulation product that
reflects 97% of radiant heat, the primary source of heat flow. Mass building
insulation products are inferior in that they absorb and hold radiant heat.Reflective insulation is the most effective when incorporated with at least a
3/4" airspace between the insulation and any adjacent material. The R value of the system will vary dependent on the airspace size and the
direction of the heat flow, and the conductive and convective properties of surrounding materials."

Bottomline, the Prodex product may be used to reflect radient heat (summer sun on the roof) but not to replace insulation in a cold winter environment when convective heat loss dominates.
 
Posts: 5 | Registered: 22 June 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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